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[Forminator Pro] Forminator Pro 1.23.1 – Too much garbage created when visitors upload file(s)

After the Forminator Pro upgrades from 1.23 to 1.23.1, it creates a disastrous situation whenever website visitors upload any files.

For example, this is a simple file upload form, nothing special:
https://jklaw.ca/en/upload/

Here is how to reproduce the error:

Step 1, the visitor uploads the following files:

1.pdf
2.pdf
3.pdf

Step 2, we can see two major issues from the upload:

(a) the 1/2/3.pdf files have been unnecessarily renamed to some meaningless names;

(2) four folders and six garbage files are created. 

These operations, which should never happen, have made the office admin’s work extremely difficult to retrieve the files the clients uploaded. 

Even the files have been retrieved, the admin staff of the business can never tell what the actual files’ names are to continue the business activities.

I raided this issue when I had a similar problem with another domain name under my management, however, after some communications back and forth, this is what WPMU Dev team sent to me:

Those extra folders and files are actually created by forminator plugin and not by the snippet we have provided. Sorry to let you know that there isn’t a workaround available to fix this. 

This is very disappointing. Forminator Pro 1.23 did NOT have this problem. As an “upgrade”, 1.23.1 should not bring this hassle to the users. Please understand the users’ experiences are essential to the lifecycle of the software you have sold. 

Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:51:48
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  • Vikram Singh
    • Staff

    Hi Danny ,

    I hope this message finds you well and sorry that you are facing this issue.

    I tried on my Lab site with an upload form but I can not replicate the issue in the latest version 1.23.1 of Forminator Pro.

    It seems that the issue is specific to your form/site and we can investigate that for you.
    In the latest version 1.23.1, we have updated the upload path for security reasons. It used to upload the files in the general WordPress upload folder but now it has been configured to upload in a new folder under wp-content >> uploads >> forminator >> uploads.

    We need to investigate the issue further and it requires your FTP/Cpanel + wp-admin access.

    I have enabled a secure contact form “DIRECT CONTACT FORM” for you that you can find on the right sidebar of this page. Please send us your login details using this form.

    You can find detailed information about it here:
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    Best Regards,
    Vikram Singh

  • Adam
    • Support Gorilla

    Hi Danny

    Thanks for providing credentials.

    I checked the site and on site everything seems to be in order. I used provided credentials to check files/folders on server and I noticed that:

    1. Forminator folders and files (at least for the site that you provided credentials for) are as they should be; there is “forminator” folder in /wp-content/uploads/ and files are inside it, as they should be; they are in additional subfolder but that is “non-changeable” security feature

    2. there seem to be no additional folders of files that shouldn’t be there (releated to Forminator uploads) and no file/folder structure such as on your screenshot.

    I suppose you may have cleaned up things but currently the file/folder structure related to uploads from forms is as it should be and there’s no any additional “garbage” files. This is correct and how its expected to be.

    Kind regards,
    Adam

  • Danny
    • New Recruit

    Hi Adam,

    While from your side, you didn’t see any garbage files to be created, please allow me to provide you with a screen recording to show you what I see from my end.

    https://youtu.be/SC8JXe1nA8g

    It’s kind of weird that every time I tried the upload,

    1, the uploaded files have been renamed unexpectedly, and
    2, garbage folders and files have been created

    Please help me investigate and advise.

    Thank you!

  • Adam
    • Support Gorilla

    Hi Danny

    Thanks for response. The video explained a lot about what you mean here and why we actually weren’t on the “same side” with this so let me address this.

    —————–

    I understand how this appears to be “garbage” to you but it actually is how it is expected to be.

    1. All the uploads go into /wp-content/uploads/forminator folder – so far so good, I guess.

    2. Now in this folder there is a “temp” folder. This folder is used as s “temporary” folder when you are uploading file – a “raw” upload goes there so it could then be properly renamed and located in its own target folder and this actually helps keep as little “mess” as possible; otherwise you’d have a bunch of single “temp” files directly in uploads folder.

    3. The additional files that you see there – the “index.php” and “.htaccess” files – are the files to protect direct unauthorized access to the directory. This is a standard way of “fallback” in case webserver is not configured to disallow directory listing. WordPress core itself is also using same method.

    Best way to explain it is by example. Let’s say that you open URL like this in your browser:

    https://yoursite.com/wp-content/uploads/forminator

    If your webserver is incorrectly configured (allowing directory listing/indexing) you will right away see the list of folders and files inside /wp-content/uploads/forminator right in your browser and you’ll be able to gain acess to those files.

    Let’s say your users upload e.g PDFs with their CVs there. I could run a very simple bot scanning thousands of sites for URL like the one above and eventually I could get those CVs accessed this way easily – grabbing them all with all the user data etc. Without any hacking and other “malicious” activity.

    But: if there is index.php file (it’s empty and that’s enough) I will just see the empty page instead. .htaccess plays similar role here “breaking” directory traversal.

    Of course, you may as well have all that already blocked because your webserver is already configured to disallow it – that is fine. But plugin doesn’t know that and it’s a very standard security precaution.

    4. The “weird strings” – those are “hashes”. A hash is an encoded data used for security purposes.

    In this case we have folder and file name where folder name is built of form ID and hash of form ID. Then the file name is similarly build where the first part is a PHP “unqid” function output – which returns unique identifier based on the current time in microseconds and the second part is an original file name.

    All together this forms the URL that’s pretty much impossible to “guess” and even if somebody would be able to “reproduce” the upload path (assuming that it’s default path set in settings and they can find form ID in page source code), they’d still wouldn’t be able to guess the filename; additionally listing of files in folder wouldn’t be that simple.

    ——————

    As I mentioned earlier, I understand why this may appear as “garbage” but there’s a reason for this. These changes were introduced recently but we had a lot of request for making these uploads secure over long time. These changes are directly and strictly security related (as explained above).

    Furthermore, a regular site user should never be concerned of the file/folder structure and is not expected to deal with files directly on server level. File data is stored correctly in the Media Library (if that option is enabled) and file URLs are included in submission data – so files are still available when needed.

    This isn’t something that can be changed, there’s nothing very “unusual” about it as such kind of (index.php/.htaccess files) protection of folders is pretty standard and “encoding” of paths and filenames is also security related.

    Kind regards,
    Adam

  • Danny
    • New Recruit

    Dear Adam,

    I appreciate your detailed explanation of the new security features that Forminator Pro 1.23.1 brought to us. It took me a while to digest the knowledge from your latest reply, and sorry for my delayed response.

    Also, I fully understand the balance between “security” and “connivance”, I understand it is impossible to benefit both at the same time, and it is often a hard task to find the best balance point to please everyone.

    So after I got your reply, I went ahead and made attempts to educate the business users (office clerks working for the tax firm which the jktax.ca site is for), but unfortunately those extra folders and files and the hashes really confused them (you’ll understand my feeling when you try to help your grandma on her computer, remotely! LOL).

    So I had to just restore Forminator to 1.23 for the month of April which is a busy tax season for all Canadians.

    Adam, may I ask if it is very possible for me to request another feature in Forminator which is to give the user options to turn off the security measures? Basically if the user chooses not to use the new (and great) security features, they can turn it off with a reasonable amount of awareness of the risks.

    Hope this can happen.

    Thanks. /Danny